December 2010 update : If you’re looking for information on the White Student Union at West Chester University, click here.
I’m having a conversation on Twitter this afternoon with a guy who proposed creating a “White Heterosexual Organization” on his campus. He did this, as he put it, to show “how f’ing stupid it was to have a group based on race, or sexual orientation.”
I’ve seen this argument a lot over the years: “If blacks can have a Black Student Union, why can’t whites have a White Student Union? Why is one okay and the other one not?”
When someone asks me this, my response is always pretty much the same: “Do you actually want to have a White Student Union on campus? Would you be active in a WSU there was one? Is there stuff you’d like to be doing that the absence of a WSU is keeping you from doing?”
So far, nobody has ever answered any of these questions with a yes.
The guy I’ve been talking to on Twitter says he wanted “to make a point about the wrongness of segregation, regardless of purpose.” But you don’t demonstrate that something is bad “regardless of purpose” by showing that it’s bad if it has no purpose, you demonstrate it by showing that it’s bad even if it has a great purpose.
That’s the first fundamental problem with the WSU thought experiment — it doesn’t engage with the reasons that BSUs exist.
The argument that people should never voluntarily separate themselves by race (or gender, or religion, or sexual orientation) is one I can respect. It’s not one that I agree with, but it’s one I can respect. But I can only respect it if the person making the argument understands the real-world reasons why people sometimes do separate themselves along such lines.
If you don’t know why people are doing something, why should I listen when you tell me they should stop?
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May 25, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Leon Rogers
Found your blog via Twitter. Good blog BTW
This idea of white people wanting White Student Unions goes back to white people’s sense of entitlement. An idea that they should be able to do everything that everyone else does. Sorry white folks. You can’t have a student union, you can’t say n*gga, Asian people are not going to change their names to something you can pronounce, and people who speak another language are not required to speak english around you.
“For those of you who don’t know Spanish… learn” – Paul Rodriguez
May 25, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Angus Johnston
Yep. Exactly. And you’re right — the whole “if black people can say that word, why can’t white people?” thing works the same way. I’ve had that conversation, too.
Thanks for stopping by. Glad you like the blog.
May 27, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Roy
White student unions are unnecessary because the entire world is already a white (student) union. White privilege ensures that white people are organized, well-connected, make up a majority of the students at American universities, and hardly ever have to accommodate to another group by altering their speech, dress, personal point of view, etc.
BSUs, queer student unions, women’s student unions, etc. all fill an important void in American culture – the unification, and thus power (“the ___ united will never be defeated”) of a generally disenfranchised group.
August 26, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Obama
If the entire country and world is a “white (student) union”; Why is OBAMA BIN LADEN our president?
December 3, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Anonymous
The existence of any (insert race/ethnicity here) group is racist. Humans, by nature like to be around people who are like themselves, some use race as an identity to congregate around. If these unions were created to fight racism, wouldn’t the name reflect that, like a student equality union, or a students for equal rights organization.
Our culture is still a very racist one, things like black history month, hispanic history month, asian history month, BET, Black Music Awards, etc. are reflective of this fact. They only serve to cause a divide between races instead of bringing them together.
So yes, a Black Student Union is just as racist as a White Student Union, or an Asian Student Union, a Hispanic Student Union, a Native American Student Union, a Middle Eastern Student Union, or an Indian (like actually from India) Student Union.
November 24, 2015 at 7:28 pm
DeForrest Kelly
Having a “White student union” would be great. Admittedly, in the past such a thing didn’t serve much purpose. Nowadays, though it would be some sort of reply to black student activism which is often idiotic in nature. A big plus would be to allow white students to celebrate their heritage with social events. The political aspect of these unions will become more relevant as whites become a minority in the United States.
November 24, 2015 at 7:59 pm
DeForrest Kelly
So you’re saying a white student union is wrong but a black student union is ok? That’s a double standard.
March 3, 2016 at 2:58 pm
james
I’m white and I say what’s good for the goose is good for gander. meaning if other groups can organize along racial, sexual or gender lines then there is absolutely nothing wrong with a white student union or anything else white. Strong anti white bias and anti white racism exists and if we are to survive as a people then we, like all other groups, must organize develop a race consciousness and empower our people.to push back against the forces of hate that seek to damage white society.