This story stinks.
At about 2 am on Friday Chris Carter, a campus police officer from the University of the Incarnate Word in San Antonio, noticed a student, Robert Cameron Redus, driving erratically near campus. Apparently Redus didn’t stop his car immediately when Carter turned on his lights, instead driving into the parking lot of his building.
There was a disagreement during the stop, and then apparently some sort of struggle. According to a witness, the officer told the student that he was going to shoot, and the Redus responded by asking sarcastically, “Oh, you’re gonna shoot me?”
The officer did, firing four to six times. Redus died at the scene.
There’s a lot still unknown about the incident. But based on the facts available now, it’s a very strange story.
First, there’s the fact that a campus safety officer at a private Catholic college was carrying a gun on routine duty. I’ll admit that I didn’t know that was a thing.
Second, there’s the location of the initial incident — more than half a mile from the college. Since when do campus police make traffic stops at off-campus locations?
Third, there’s the officer’s record — nine jobs at eight different police agencies in eight years.
And then, of course, there’s the incident itself. A student is driving erratically. He doesn’t stop when told to. The cop, who has a checkered record, confronts him, threatens to shoot him. The student gives him attitude. Seconds later, he’s dead.
Maybe there’s a good explanation for all of it. But right now?
This story stinks.
Update | I haven’t found more recent data yet, but as of 2005 only 27% of American private colleges and universities of the size of the University of the Incarnate Word had armed campus police.
Second Update | UIW’s official statement on the shooting refers to Cameron Redus as “the suspect” and praises the officer’s “extensive law-enforcement background.”
Morning Update | Cameron Redus’s family has hired a lawyer.
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December 8, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Michael
A few information bits regarding your article.
Yes, campus police can carry weapons. In Kentucky, they are allowed to under statute. Since this is Texas, I would assume this is also the case.
Campus police are law officers, just like city police, and have the same rights, privileges, and responsibilities as any other LEO. Most people do not understand realize this.
Secondly, in Kentucky, campus police have a large jurisdiction. Campus police working for institutions of higher learning can technically cover any incident in a county, not simply on-campus, or within a city’s limits.
In Texas, jurisdiction might differ. You should contact the state Attorney General, or search the Texas statutes to see what applies in your neck of the woods. I would not be surprised to learn under Texas statute, any campus officer can answer a call anywhere within the county which is home to a college or university.
None of those details which you mention to that point seem odd. They are quite normal, in fact, and in line with conditions I’ve found elsewhere.
In fact, if you look at any of the recent university shootings, it is hard to separate the city police from the campus police because they all wear essentially the same uniform, the only difference is patching.
The only deviation from normal is the officer, his behavior, and his personal history. A resourceful person could probably track down his work history and determine why he has worked so many LEO jobs in such a short period of time. Its not entirely suspicious. LEO benefits at universities tend to suck, pay is low, and turn-over is regular. However, shooting an unarmed person a number of times is extremely suspicious.
Hopefully, a fair investigation will take place, the truth will out, and people will have some answers.
December 8, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Angus Johnston
Well, no, Michael. Campus police do not have “the same rights, privileges, and responsibilities as any other LEO.” As I noted in the update to my post, the specific privilege of carrying a weapon is one that campus police at many colleges do not have. My “I’ll admit that I didn’t know that was a thing” was hyperbole, but if it’s typical for campus police at colleges like UIW to carry weapons today, that’s a very recent development.
As for the question of the location of the incident, I’m not questioning the officer’s jurisdiction. I’m questioning whether making off-campus traffic stops is considered within the typical scope of an officer’s duties at this campus.
December 9, 2013 at 12:40 am
Ojore
Great post. Spread the word. It’s all about training and the weapons they are given.
December 9, 2013 at 12:03 pm
LKirby
Having a gun doesn’t give the right to shoot. Also, since when are security cops allowed to carry guns? and then shoot somebody off campus??? Responsible training is imperative and must the person must pass understanding of when to use a gun! Not just be trigger -jumpy!!!
This is sickening!
December 9, 2013 at 11:01 pm
D Pomerat
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/07/justice/alabama-student-killed/
December 9, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Paul Zink (@paulzink)
Campus police in most parts of the country are like security guards; they are employees of the institution, just like a security guard is an employee who works for the shopping mall or company. They are NOT police officers, do not have the same training—and actual police officers would be offended by that description. Moreover, their responsibility is for campus security, and does not extend beyond those boundaries. As for this guy’s employment record, changing jobs once a year is not typical in any industry — not even for fast food workers! Something tells me he was quietly “asked to leave” by prior employers. Hopefully the reasons will come out in a lawsuit.
December 10, 2013 at 12:53 am
Devin
If the student was not armed (or did not draw arms) I don’t see how this is not an open and shut case. There is no possible reason conceivable as to why you would need to shoot someone once, never-mind multiple times in such a situation. If this cop doesn’t lose his job and ability to ever be a police officer ever again, and go to jail then something is seriously messed up. Leave it to Texas for this to happen. I’ve been there not too long ago and let me just say that I am not exactly surprised. We are talking about one of the most ass-backward places in the world, they have billboards preaching religious dogma including anti-gay and anti-abortion rubbish right on the side of the highway. This is a place where guns and bigotry are openly accepted.
After feeling like my country sucks, incidents like this make me so happy to live in Canada. The only people with any sense in Texas are students and intellectuals.
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December 11, 2013 at 10:04 pm
matthewjudebrown
Paul Zink, I’m afraid you’re misinformed. Private institutions CAN legally employ sworn police officers in the US, and the two most common of those are campus police and railroad police.
The exact status varies state by state; see e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_police for more.
They generally must be qualified, trained and equipped to the standards required for regular city police or county sheriff’s deputies, can carry weapons under the same rules, and regularly have similar arrest and other privileges in the law.
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March 15, 2014 at 8:33 pm
gsosbee
Texas cops, especially those who hide under the skirts of higher ed, are among the most brutal, sociopathic, and cruel in the USA. They are trained by and beholden to the assassins of fbi who at National Academy inculcate a culture of death & brutality in all police trainees. How can the people allow such half wits to seize power here! http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v194/__show_article/_a000194-000570.htm